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Wednesday, July 07, 2010

Can this be right?

By , 09:30 AM

Regarding last night’s STL/COL game, in which the Rox were trailing by 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th:

“Fangraphs gave the Rockies just a 0.9% of winning this game coming into the bottom of the 9th.”

That seems awfully HIGH…


#1    Chris      (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 09:47

I believe that the WE was 0.4% entering the inning and 0.9% after the Olivo single.


#2    dkappelman      (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 09:51

It actually shows a 0.4% chance of winning.  Whoever wrote that must have grabbed the value after Olivo’s single by accident.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 10:19

I have the historical data here for +/- 5 runs:

http://www.tangotiger.net/wins.html

Here’s what I’m showing for -5 to 0 runs:
-5 0.0081
-4 0.0132
-3 0.0338
-2 0.0790
-1 0.1852
0 0.6540

The sum of that is .9733, which means still 0.0267
chance of winning if down by 6+ runs.

Could we have figured any of those numbers?  For the score tied, that’s easy.  That’s because we should know that 70% of innings are scoreless.  (You don’t know that you say?  Well, now you do.  Remember that number.)

So, 30% of the time, you score, you win the game.  70% of the time you don’t score, it goes to extra innings and you win half those games.  So, 30% + 35% = 65%.  And that goes very well with the .6540 from the historical.

We can also go here:
http://www.tangotiger.net/retrosheet/reports/re.htm

Look at the first line, and that tells you how often you score 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10+ runs.

The historical is actually .727 chance of scoring 0 runs (the more recent era is closer to .700).  Anyway, 1-.727 plus .727/2 = .6365

How about if you are down 1?  Well, you lose when you score 0 runs (.727), you win half the time if you score 1 (.148 / 2), and you win otherwise (1-.727-.148).  That’s .199 win% expected, compared to the .1852 historical.

Cool?  Ok, so with 6 runs downs, you win half the time if you score exactly 6 (.002 / 2), and win if you score at least 7 (1 minus .997), or .004 in all.

And, that matches what David is reporting from my Markov.

You can ALSO go here:
http://www.tangotiger.net/markov_wes.html

Wes expanded my Markov program to give you the run distribution, and you see there that scoring exactly 6 is .003, and scoring 7+ is 1 minus .996, so you get .0055.  But with all the rounding to three decimal places, I wouldn’t be so fixated on that.

Anyway, as you can see, everything revolves around the run expectancy matrix, and it all makes perfect sense.


#4    Rally      (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 10:27

How much does playing in Coors field increase the chances of winning this one?  I guess we could look at all innings in Coors to see what % have a team score 6 or more runs.


#5          (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 10:28

Don’t forget run environment here. Location, location, location.


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 11:38

Well, the tool is right there for you to use:
http://www.tangotiger.net/markov_wes.html

How to interpret the numbers was explained in post 3.  So, just run it, and tell us the answer!


#7          (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 23:21

Home team down by 6, bottom of the ninth. I used the actual NL totals divided by games started, park adjusted, and extrapolated advancement on hits from the league totals. Basically, you hit less, you advance more. I get 5.211 runs/game using this. There’s an 0.4% chance to score six runs, 0.2% to score seven, 0.1% eight—halving the 0.4%, we get 0.3% in all.

How about the real Rox numbers? Using just their home numbers, I get 6.516 runs/game. I get 0.6% of six runs, 0.3% of seven, 0.1% each of eight and nine—0.8%. So we’re more or less in the same ballpark, so to speak.

You know, I’d love for BB-Ref.com to get more detailed baserunning stats, and to be able to dump outs on base and steals into this tool.


#8          (see all posts) 2010/07/07 (Wed) @ 23:22

Oops. League totals should have been 0.5%. My bad.


#9    Nick Steiner      (see all posts) 2010/07/08 (Thu) @ 00:03

It happened again!  This is killing me.


#10    Matthew Cornwell      (see all posts) 2010/07/08 (Thu) @ 19:06

Well, at least the Cards chose the old-fashioned, highly probable way of losing today!  Thank goodness!


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