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Friday, August 27, 2010

Bill James on social justice

By Tangotiger, 01:09 PM

Bill had thoughts on several social issues.  What I was struck with is not that he had some good theories, but that, those theories can already be tested with actual real-life data.  For example:

We don’t want to live in a paranoid country.  Americans should not have to drive around in constant fear of straying across a line.  If we have red-light cameras and radar cams, what’s next?  Lane-straying cameras, that send you a ticket when your tire goes out of its lane?  Signaling cameras, that send you a ticket when you change lanes without signaling?  Who wants to live in that America?

I first went to Calgary in 1997, and they had speed-cameras.  In Montreal, they recently installed red-light cameras in very few and carefully selected intersections.  In Toronto, they have toll lanes, with some tracker in your car (and ostensibly, they can track your speed, though I don’t know if they do).  The point is that it’s all fine and well to have an opinion as to how one million people in an area on Earth will respond to some new social order.  But, we have actual working experiences of what has happened.  Therefore, if you are going to advance the hypothesis, why not go all out and also present the results?

Punishing people as a way of modifying behavior is massively inefficient at best, and is very often counter-productive.  The prison system manufactures as much crime as it prevents. 

We’ve talked about this in the past, comparing the Finnish to Swedish to other countries prison systems.  The Phillipines has some cool system where they make the prisoners perform in a YouTube music video every month.  (Yes, it’s true!) The point is the same as the above: we’ve got the test cases, so present results rather than just leave it at the hypothesis and predict what could happen.

And if Justice McReynolds is excused on this count because he was merely on the wrong side of a line drawn across history, then shouldn’t it be pointed out as well that, with regard to the other attitudes that we now condemn, Justice McReynolds as well was merely on the wrong side of a line drawn across history?  After all, the attitudes that Justice McReynolds had toward Jews and blacks and working women, in the time and place where he grew up, were the universal attitudes that everybody held. . .that is, everybody who counted.  Everybody who was white, male, and Protestant.  McReynolds’ only fault was that he held on to these attitudes after others had discarded them. 

Well. . .no.

There was a very powerful exchange between Archie Bunker and Michael Stivik (All in the family… for you kids too young, you missed one of the greatest shows of all time), about how Archie’s racism was a product of how his father was, how his father would teach him things, and how Archie as a kid knew nothing else but to listen and idolize his father.  It was a very powerful exchange, and if you can find it somewhere, you should watch it, as I can’t do it justice.  I last saw that episode at least 20 years ago, but I still remember it.

Wouldn’t it be obviously better if they could communicate to us how hard it is actually raining?  A “20” might mean that if it rained at this intensity for one hour that would result in two inches of rainfall.

Of course, it would take us a little while to learn the meaning of the terms, but if you grew up with a system like this, by the time you were an adult you would be able to just look at a rainstorm—even without a reading—and say “I’d guess we’re at about 13 IPH right now”, and

a) the observer would be very nearly right almost all of the time, and

b) the listener would know exactly what he meant.

IPH is Inches Per Hour; it’s not actually inches per hour, it’s tenths of an inch per hour, but IPH sounds better than TPH.  You’d know that, too, if you grew up with the system.

I think Clay is a meteorologist, and I think SABRMatt is probably involved in it.  So, I think it’s safe to say that it exists because otherwise, this is the first thing these guys would have invented.  It’s probably called “mL per hour” (millilitres, not inches).  After all, if you have wind speed, why not rain speed.  Let me do a quick google check. Ok, the first hit on google for PRECIPITATION SPEED was this:

Present weather sensor for precipitation speed/type/intensity

The drop speed is captured with a 24-GHz-Doppler radar.

The precipitation quantity and intensity is calculated from the correlation between drop size and speed.

The type of precipitation (rain, snow, sleet, freezing rain, hail) is detected from the difference in drop speed.

Really, Bill’s objection is that it’s not part of the standard toolset of our mainstream weather people, much like OBP once was not.  It’s there, it exists, now we just need a sabermetric weather movement to get it out there.

And please, mL, not inches.


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#1          (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 14:13

They can use mL in Canada. How many Americans do you think can visualize what a mL of standing water looks like. All of us can imagine an inch.

The difference between the two is purely technical once you’re discussing it with the public, so why not go with the one that is simpler to adjust to. And if some number of years from now people want to convert to mL/hour because it’s a more precise descriptor, then fine.

Get the system adopted first, then worry about fussiness.


#2          (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 14:49

I think you would wan cm, not mL. The ranfall stat should be independent of area.


#3    J. Cross      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 14:52

mL/hour doesn’t make sense to me.  The height of water that would accumulate (say in a tank) per unit time makes sense as measure of rain strength but volume/time doesn’t make sense to me.  Volume/time would depend on the surface area of the earth being rained on.  You could use cm/hr.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 14:54

Actually, considering people mostly buy soda in 1 and 2 liter bottles for their homes, people probably wouldn’t have trouble understanding mL/hour


#5          (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 14:55

And then 2 and 3 make good points about what you want to measure


#6    Fred      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 14:58

http://www.relativityonline.com/home/the-dancing-prisoners-of-cebu/

“The dance routine was originally conceptualized by prison officers as a form of behavior conditioning. Then it became a money making event. Dancing prisoners are happy since they claim to enjoy more benefits than other non-dancing prisoners. The incentive to dance is not really to practice art but to receive better prison treatment. Dance to impress visitors to generate funds. Dance to eat more regularly and sleep comfortably. Dance to make the Philippines famous in the global arena. Prisoners are exploited since they have no choice but to obey the instructions of their officers: dance or else. What is doubly painful is that prisoners are enjoying the exploitation.”


#7          (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 15:03

Wow, I just re-read my comment. I can’t spell today worth a darn. My apologies.


#8    Matt Lentzner      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 15:37

Re: #6

That article is a bit Chomskyesque for my taste.

Not everything is a zero-sum game.


#9    Pat Andriola      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 15:43

"We don’t want to live in a paranoid country.  Americans should not have to drive around in constant fear of straying across a line.  If we have red-light cameras and radar cams, what’s next?  Lane-straying cameras, that send you a ticket when your tire goes out of its lane?  Signaling cameras, that send you a ticket when you change lanes without signaling?  Who wants to live in that America?”

Two logical fallacies I can name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Also, does Bill disagree with the law? Because all this is is a more efficient application of the law. If he thinks people shouldn’t be allowed to break the law, I don’t see why making sure they don’t at a higher rate is an issue.


#10    studes      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 17:30

Pat, Bill’s argument is more subtle than that, and it’s hard to capture it here.  It gets into revenue-generating habits of city councils, seriousness of various crimes and other stuff.

That said, he doesn’t exactly convince the reader of his point of view.


#11    Greg Rybarczyk      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 22:03

Pat #9:

I’d be fine with strict enforcement of traffic laws, if in exchange those laws had to make sense. There is a bridge in my neighborhood that has been rebuilt.  Over the 18 months of construction, there has been a 25mph speed limit on the bridge during times when the bridge was (is) being worked on (this is fine.)

Unfortunately, the speed limit is also 25 mph when they are not working on it (97% of the time, including Sunday mornings when I’ve driven (no, crawled) past police lurking behind the orange signs waiting for people to “speed” by.

Even more unfortunately, the speed limit is 25 mph for at least 400 yards in each direction beyond the construction zones.  Whch of course makes me crazy.

If they want to be really strict about the traffic rules, fine, but use some common sense and set the limit at the threshold of danger, not some absurd amount below that threshold…


#12    Phil D      (see all posts) 2010/08/27 (Fri) @ 22:24

Cameras on top of street lights violate the presumption of innocence which is fundamental to common law. And don’t fall for the dictator fallacy - that is where you support a government program thinking you (or people like you) would run it. It’s largely unethical and power hungry people that are drawn to work for the US surveillance state and rights and rules of basic decency are inevitably violated all of the time.


#13    dave smyth      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 06:49

---Cameras on top of street lights violate the presumption of innocence which is fundamental to common law.
---------------
I don’t like it either, but how is it fundamentally different from a cop in a hidden spot with radar?


#14    Pat Andriola      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 14:34

"Cameras on top of street lights violate the presumption of innocence which is fundamental to common law.”

Ummmm no. This is illogical on so many levels, one being dave smyth’s example from #13.

@greg (#11): right, you agree with my point. it isn’t the enforcement of the law that’s the issue but the law itself. you don’t believe it should be 25 mph. there’s the problem.


#15    Phil D      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 15:02

Think of a camera on top of a street light as analogous to a wiretap on a telephone. Completely illegal without a warrant.


#16    Pat Andriola      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 16:11

That is a miserable analogy. Besides the fact that it’s currently completely standard practice to have those cameras there and nobody has ever brought up a legal complaint regarding them, there’s no functional difference between a camera planted there and a cop holding the camera.

Besides that, there’s no countervailing right being infringed. You have rights to privacy that require cops to have wire taps on your phones and homes, but you do not have rights to privacy when you’re driving in terms of speeding. A cop can’t search your car without PC or a warrant, but he certainly can record your speed electronically from a dozen yards a way.

I think you should understand the matter more intimately before commenting on it. Your analogy sounds silly.


#17    Phil D      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 19:10

"Besides the fact that it’s currently completely standard practice to have those cameras there and nobody has ever brought up a legal complaint regarding them”

Wrong - here is what came up sixty seconds of searching on Google. I think you should do some research before you comment on it.

http://www.acluct.org/issues/privacyandtechnology/acluopposestrafficlightcam.htm

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/aclu-iowa-challenges-use-speed-cameras-davenport


#18    Phil D      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 19:14

Of course the big difference - which I have failed to articulate until now - is that the cop holding a radar gun is only interested in those vehicles going over the speed limit. The cameras have the ability to record every driver regardless of whether they are violating the law or not. And they can capture more than just the speed of the vehicle. This power will almost certainly be misused. See this story about the full-body scanners now in used in airports, courthouses and other facilities all over the country.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html


#19          (see all posts) 2010/08/29 (Sun) @ 03:23

I find it interesting in an era when people are claiming a right to tell a religious institution where it may site itself because their (or those of others they claim to channel) feelings may be hurt, and when people are seriously arguing they can pass legislation to change the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment that someone is asserting red light cameras somehow affect the presumption of innocence.  A ticket is a summons, it is not a bill.  By showing up in court, you may have a trial on the merits and the presumption of innocence will apply and the entire burden of proof will be on the government.  That the government may use an electronic means, which involves neither a search nor a seizure, to provide its evidence doesn’t make that any more unconstitutional than the government’s hiring of policemen (which we didn’t have in 1791) was unconstitutional, or the use of photographs, radar or any other means of collecting evidence.  Someone has to go in and prove the reliability of the system, and that that was your car, and that the photo couldn’t be tampered with, then if you have some defense (that wasn’t me in the car, officer) you may present it, and then the trier of fact decides if the government has proven its case.  Nothing happened to the presumption of innocence other than a failure to understand it.


#20          (see all posts) 2010/08/30 (Mon) @ 12:05

There seems to be no link to the actual Bill James commentary, so I am probably missing some of his arguments.

I just got done reading MacGregor Burns’ new history of the Supreme Court, “Packing the Court”.  Justice McReynolds is generally ranked by academics at the bottom of Supreme Court justices because he was so anti-semitic and personnally so nasty that it negatively affected his relations with other Supreme Court justices (he served alongside two Jewish justices).  His bigotry at the time was considered to be worse than usual for the era.  Plus he was part of a majority that essentially (though simplifying a bit) held that the Constitution barred both the state and federal governments from passing any legislation that might benefit low-income people, this legal reasoning became discredited and most of the justices who made up that majority are held in pretty low esteem by legal scholars.

But if Bill James tries to come up with a rating system for judges, I’d be interested in that.

My mother just got a ticket-via-speeding camera.  The actual effect is to get a notice in the mail, weeks after the affect, notifying you of some legal violation that you may have had no idea you committed.  This bothers me.  But I don’t think the problem is necessarily with the enforcement, it is just that if you put in too many small laws, even if each one on its own is justified, the cumulative effect will reduce freedom quite a bit.


#21    Cliff Otto      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 09:25

I live in New Hampshire...you know, the Live Free or Die state where almost no one pays attention to the posted speed limits. Recently, there was a spate of letters in my local paper about “slow” drivers (this means someone doing 65 in a 55): get in the way of my pickup, I’ll run you off the road...cars are now safe to drive 80 mph, etc.

Is the general driver safe at 80 mph? Don’t I have the right to obey the speed limit (as well as a legal obligation)? Why don’t they work on getting the law changed? We now have generations in this country who think that if they don’t get caught, they haven’t broken the law.

I’m sorry, but I still believe in an orderly society.


#22          (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 11:37

For what its worth, one of my engineer friends has made the arguments that the speed limits are ridiculously low for how cars handle today.  That is not worth much.  But we could look at what happens in other countries (Germany) with higher speed limits.  And we can consider that many traffic laws in the U.S. are based more on raising revenue for local government than on safety.

If everyone violates a law, maybe there is something wrong with the law.  And everyone does drive ten MPH over the speed limit.

We also fine people for traffic violations.  We could make speeders go to the police stations to fill out paperwork, but collect no money from them.  We could suspend their licenses for one day, but collect more money.  But in a country where most people have to drive to prety much do anything outside the house, these other options are considered to penalize people too much for minor violations.  So the idea is that this is a crime, but we don’t inconvenience the criminals who are caught.  Maybe they are not really criminals.

But at least the fines for traffic violations could be directly channeled to hospital emergency rooms, and kept well away from local police departments.  That would be the place to start for any reform of this.


#23    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 11:44

If everyone violates a law, maybe there is something wrong with the law.

The law is based more on the golf-philosophy of zero-tolerance.

Suppose you are driving 45 in a 25 zone, and that zone is 25 because it’s residential.  Suppose you are driving at night, when no children are expected.  You are caught doing 45, and there’s not a soul in sight.  Therefore, the chance that you would run someone over is nil.  But, you are going to get a ticket that presumes that you may have eventually hit a person, by driving like that at some point during your driving life. 

(Some) people break speeding rules because they deem it safe at the point they are speeding.  That’s most of us.

We also have a few people who break speeding rules because they are reckless.

Unfortunately, a more fair system would be too unwieldly, and so, that’s why we have the system we have, and that’s why so many break the rules that they do.

It’s not that they are unfair, but that alternatives are too hard to implement.


#24    Sourdoughboy      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 12:33

If everyone violates a law, maybe there is something wrong with the law.  And everyone does drive ten MPH over the speed limit.

Everyone driving over the speed limit is, as far as my eyes tell me, constant no matter what the speed limit is. So unless one thinks any speed limit is bad, one can’t use the fact that everyone violates a law to show that it is a bad law.

The data, w/r/t fatalities associated with different speed limits, is mixed once one figures in differences in state traffic safety laws (which many studies do not). Something from what looks to be a solid study (Dee & Sela, Economic Letters, 2003):

[...]we presented evidence that these [speed limit] increases did generate large and statistically significant increases in fatality rates among women and the elderly. We also found that the earlier movement to 65 MPH speed limits reduced fatality rates among men. An understanding of these heterogeneous effects should be an important part of an informed public debate on the desirability of these policy changes.


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