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Monday, September 13, 2010

Baseball Mythbusters

By Tangotiger, 12:13 PM

Summary:

A baseball bat filled with cork can hit a baseball farther than a normal bat.

busted

This myth operates under the assumption that cork-filled bats can be swung faster because of their lighter weight, and that the springiness of the cork could propel the ball farther. To eliminate the human factor of the myth, Adam and Jamie constructed a special batting rig and used a pressurized air cannon to launch the baseball at it. Tests showed that the cannon could launch the ball 80 miles per hour, which is the average speed of most MLB pitches. Regulation bats could propel the ball away at 80mph while corked bats could only propel the ball 40mph, half the speed of regulation bats. The reason was because cork bats have less mass to transfer force into the ball, and the cork actually absorbs some of the ball’s impact. The Mythbusters concluded that using a cork filled bat will not improve your performance (it will in fact hurt it), and the major league batters who were caught using cork-filled bats risked their careers for nothing.
...

A dry baseball can be hit farther than a ball stored in a humid environment.

confirmed

The Build Team started off with a small scale test by dropping dry and humid balls from a certain height. The results showed that the dry balls tended to bounce higher than the humid balls. For the full scale test, the Grant built his own rig (dubbed “The Mad Batter”) that could both swing the bat and pitch the ball at the same time. They then tested the rig at a baseball field using humid balls, dry balls, and control balls stored in a normal environment. The results showed definitively that the dry balls were hit the farthest distance and the humid balls being hit the least distance.
...

A fast ball can lift itself higher into the air.

busted

Despite the testimony of some pitchers, the myth would defy the laws of physics because in order for a fast ball to actually rise, it must exert more force upward than its own weight. However, the maximum force a fast ball can exert is only half of its weight, making a rising fast ball impossible.
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On bases that you can’t overrun, it is faster to slide into them.

confirmed

While a popular tactic used by baseball players, some speculate that sliding will actually slow a person down due to the friction being exerted between their bodies and the ground. With some coaching, the Build Team learned how to slide like baseball players. They then timed how long it would take to run to a base and slide to a base. The results showed that all Tory, Jamie, and Grant reached the base faster by sliding rather than running by several fractions of a second. The reason was because as they ran, the Tory, Jamie, and Grant had to slow down at the last second so that their momentum wouldn’t carry them past the base. With such definitive results, the Mythbusters agreed that sliding to a base is faster than running.
...

A baseball’s stitches can tear and the hide of the baseball will fall off if the baseball is thrown fast enough and hit hard enough.

busted

The Mythbusters modified their cork bat rig to fire the baseball at much higher speeds. It fired the ball at a static bat with speeds over 200mph, which is twice as fast as the fastest pitch ever recorded. However, the ball remained intact. The Mythbusters then fired the cannon at maximum power. The hide of the ball did come off, but the ball was fired at about 437mph, four times faster than any human could pitch.


#1          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 12:20

I think Adair in his book on the physics of baseball said a corked bat doesn’t help (or maybe he said it somewhere else). So how much better would Norm Cash have done in 1961 if he had not used a corked bat?


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 12:40

How much worse would Cash have hit if he were given those same opportunities again, with no change in context whatsoever?


#3          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 12:44

It is a remarkable coincidence that just last night I submitted a paper to American Journal of Physics (with Lloyd Smith and Dan Russell) in which we address three issues:

1.  Can a baseball be hit farther using a corked bat?

2.  Is the present-day baseball juiced?

3.  Can storing the baseball in a temperature or humidity controlled environment have a dramatic effect on home run production?

For each of these questions, an experiment was done, followed by a physics-based analysis and interpretation, out of which emerges the following answers:  no, no, and yes.  Tossing all modesty aside, I think our experiments have more to say about corked bats (and the other topice) than anything done by Mythbusters.  We do science; they do television.

I will post a link to the paper in a few days.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 12:58

I don’t want to crap on Mythbusters, because I think it’s the best show on television right now (OK maybe second to Jersey Shore).  Let’s just say they do single-trial, simple experiments, and leave it at that.  For what they do, I think they do an excellent job.

Surely they are way off on their analysis of the corked bat.  If it truly could only hit a ball with half of the exit velocity of a regulation bat, players would figure it out damn quickly and wouldn’t bother with them.  I don’t recall this experiment itself, but I don’t quite understand how their machine swung the corked bat faster (or how much faster) so I don’t think this was a good experiment.

For the sliding experiment, it was borderline idiocy.  They basically took a 30-minute crash course on sliding from an ex-ballplayer, and then did the trials themselves.  I also don’t think they compared headfirst slides either.  I will say though, for the layperson, it is interesting to see that slowing one’s self to a standing stop on the base is remarkably similar to sliding, in terms of how it impacts your time between bases.  I would think slowing yourself to a standing stop would take a lot longer.


#5    Hizouse      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 13:07

I had similar thoughts about the sliding experiment, Mike.  I would like to see times on head-first dives to first base versus sprinting through first base, by someone other than Tory and Grant.


#6    wcw      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 13:36

I’d like to see Nathan’s paper.  Is the conclusion that you can’t hit the ball “farther” on a well-struck ball hit in the major-league context?  That I do believe.  But if the conclusion is that a major-league player doesn’t put up better numbers with a corked bat, I am a skeptic.  Widespread folk wisdom I tend to feel puts the burden of proof on the negative.


#7    Michigan Matt      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 13:38

#5 Hizouse, are you saying you want Kari to do that one?


#8    Ken Arneson      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 14:06

It’s a remarkable coincidence that just yesterday my two oldest daughters participated in filming a Mythbusters episode.

Didn’t involve baseball, though.  It was a sequel to the one where they try to destroy a ship with mirrors.


#9    Neil S      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 14:13

wcw/6 wrote: “But if the conclusion is that a major-league player doesn’t put up better numbers with a corked bat, I am a skeptic.”

My sense has always been that it’s the bat-speed it helps, not necessarily the power it generates. So wouldn’t it have made sense to measure the gain made in bat-speed, and see what difference that would make in getting around on, say, a 95 mph fastball thrown on the inside corner?


#10    Ryan JL      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 14:16

I agree fully with Mike #4.  The episode was a major let down for me as clearly no-one involved in the show seemed to have much of a clue about baseball. 

Even though the excerpt mentions it, I do not recall them testing whether or not a corked bat could be swung FASTER, and thus increasing distance via bat speed.  It seemed they had a machine that swung the bat at a controlled speed, and then had it swing a normal bat vs. a corked bat; of course the corked bat will do much worse under those circumstances! 

And the sliding stuff was just face-palm inducing.


#11          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 14:18

Re wcw #6:  The only issue we addressed vis-a-vis corked bats is whether a baseball can be hit farther--or, more precisely, with higher batted ball speed.  The reduction is batted ball speed due to the reduced mass of the bat in the barrel more than compensates for the increase in batted ball speed due to the higher swing speed.  So there is a net reduction in batted ball speed.  However, that reduction is far less than the factor of two from the Mythbuster tests, which suggests to me that they don’t know how to do experimental physics!  In our paper, we remark in passing that there *are* benefits to corking a bat.  So while a batter might not hit the ball farther with a corked bat, he might be able to make good contact more often.


#12          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 14:24

Re Neil S #9:  I try to make the distinction between bat speed and bat quickness.  The former refers to the speed of the bat at the impact location and at the moment of contact.  It is that speed that matters for the speed of the batted ball.  The former has to do with how rapidly the batter can get the bat into the hitting zone.  It has more to do with the acceleration of the bat than the speed of the bat.  Corking a bat results in an increase in both of these quantities.  It is the increase in bat quickness that potentially allows a batter to make better contact more often, since a batter can wait a bit longer on the pitch and can more easily make adjustments in mid-swing.  As Adair points out in his book, some of the same advantages can be obtained by simply choking up on the bat.


#13          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 14:40

Alan, did you find anything in contradiction to your earlier paper on the topic from 2003/2004?

http://webusers.npl.illinois.edu/~a-nathan/pob/corked-bat-remarks.pdf

I’ve been referring people to that paper as the definitive scientific word on corked bat performance.


#14    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 15:04

"for the increase in batted ball speed due to the higher swing speed...he might be able to make good contact more often. “

This is what I was thinking, that a batter has more time to swing, thereby making better contact.


#15    Greg Rybarczyk      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 16:12

Hizouse #5:

Try this for sliding into first.  The link is partway down the page.  I couldn’t find the direct link…

http://www.guysgirl.com/blog/sports/sports-science-debate-which-is-better-running-or-sliding-head-first-into-first-base.html


#16    wcw      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 16:29

In re Nathan/12, that suits my intuition.  Improved quickness strikes me as the main point of corking.  A skilled hitter should see not only improved contact, but also improved on-base results and even improved power.

In other words, David Eckstein chokes up, but so did Barry Bonds.


#17    Jamie      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 16:43

Pete Rose used a cork bat i believe(think i read that somewhere).  that would have helped him tremendously.  he’s not a power guy to begin with.  so instead of hitting the ball far enough to the hitters, he just dunked them all day.

i use the same tactic in softball.  i’ll use a 24oz bat isntead of a 26+.  if you know the limits of your body then a lighter bat is much better in certain circumstances.


#18    Karl from NY      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 17:26

An important detail of the base-sliding question is the difference between the runner’s center of gravity and the extremities that he uses to touch the base.

A running runner’s impetus is really working to move his center of mass or gravity.  Sliding into a base gives two advantages.  The runner can contact the base sooner, since an outstretched torso and arm can reach farther from the center of mass than does a leg and foot from a standing position.  And in the same way, sliding means that the center of mass can continue farther past the base while maintaining contact with it.  Put more generally, rotating the body into a horizontal position allows it to extend farther from the center of mass.  So you both contact the base sooner relative to the time at which your center of mass would get there, and have more linear space (thus time) to stop, so you can decelerate later.

As for Mythbusters, yes, what they do is often barely science.  Were they trying to measure difference of under 0.1 second using hand-timed stopwatches? (Which is also highly vulnerable to observer bias)?


#19    stevebogus      (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 18:23

I love watching Mythbuters. However, in their corked vs. noncorked bat test I felt they had serious problems getting the timing right. The impacts I saw on TV were not anywhere close to being identical, and it just so happened that the impact using a non-corked bat was better timed and struck nearer the “sweet spot” of the bat.


#20          (see all posts) 2010/09/13 (Mon) @ 21:53

Re Mike Fast:  The current paper is just a careful writeup of the stuff I did way back in 2003, at the time of the Sosa incident.  The conclusions have not changed.


#21    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/09/14 (Tue) @ 00:15

Jamie #17, the idea of hitting the ball softer in order to “dunk” the ball in front of the outfielders has some serious logical issues I think.

The harder you hit the ball, the more hits you will get, everything else being equal.  Now, if you can control the ball, as you might be able to do in softball, that is another story. If I were throwing a baseball from home plate, I might just lob the ball in front of the outfielders, or down the lines, but I seriously doubt that in MLB, a hitter can control a batted ball to that extent, even Pete Rose or Ichiro (or whomever).

I think the goal in MLB is to hit the ball as hard as you can, in general, with power hitters perhaps trying to elevate (depending on the location of the pitch) and non-power hitters trying to hit line drives.

Now, if corking and hitting the ball softer allows you to make more or better contact on certain pitches, which it might, that is also another story.  But just hitting the ball softer, if you are not a power hitter, I don’t think so.  You will hit too many lazy pop ups, fly balls, and easy grounders…


#22    B      (see all posts) 2010/09/14 (Tue) @ 17:13

My question for the corked bat would be - is corking it any better than just using a lighter bat?  If the cork is negatively affecting how hard you hit it and the only benefits are it’s lighter - it might be that a lighter bat is optimal, and in that case you get the same benefits while also hitting it harder, rather than using a corked bat…


#23          (see all posts) 2010/09/15 (Wed) @ 10:43

Here is a link to our paper, which we submitted to American Journal of Physics:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.2549
Note that it has not yet been peer reviewed and could change before being published in final form.

Re 22:  Yes, one could get the benefits of corking with a lighter bat.  But it is hard to make a wood bat lighter without changing the dimensions (length,diameter).  Not so with metal bats, which is one of the reasons they are preferred when allowed.


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