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Monday, February 22, 2010

Actuarial tables for injuries?

By Tangotiger, 11:11 AM

Rick Wilton, who is one of the two injury experts I follow (Will Carroll being the other… if there’s someone else, please post below), says with Ron Shandler:

Why haven’t fantasy players seen groundbreaking analysis in the field of injuries? Why can’t we produce reports that state that Player A has suffered a strained oblique injury and he has a 71% chance of spending 28 days on the DL, 12 % of landing on the DL for 29-34 days and so. I argued that while we had seen advances in injury analysis and reporting since I got into the field in the early 1990s, putting a number on it would be tough.

I think the answer is even easier: until last week, the public did not have a ready-to-download database.  You can’t analyze without data.  That’s why the Lahman database is a godsend, and that’s why Retrosheet is a godsend.  Without easy-access to data, there is an enormous amount of ineffecient effort in collecting the data.  Or, alot of money to give to someone to licence you the data.  Data.  That’s all we need.

So, you will see in the next 12 months what the public can do with injury data.  And something like Rick is asking will be answered.  Ideally, the subject matter experts would be able to give us a “scouting report” so that we have something to regress to that is more meaningful than whatever we can infer from the data.  Those guys can reduce our uncertainty rate in our estimates a great deal.  I know there are tons of lawyers out there that are involved on the periphery of sabermetrics.  I’d like to see the doctors contribute as well.


#1    David Pinto      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 11:36

A few years ago I saw some private work done by Sig Mejdal on this very subject.  Basically, a player is most likely to get injured returning from an injury, and the probability goes down following a power law curve.  The longer a player remains healthy, the less likely they are to get injured.


#2          (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 11:55

Unfortunately, I think that you will find that there are many more lawyers around here than doctors.  There is a significant proportion of lawyers who hate their jobs, and sabermetrics provides a nice relief from the pain.  Also, it is much easier for lawyers to play around with baseball statistics during “work” than doctors.

- Matthew Bultitude, Esq.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 12:34

Uh, yeah, good point!  Don’t know why I didn’t realize that doctors and construction workers are under-represented on message boards.  Good call


#4    Craig      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 14:57

This also depends on how much truth the teams tell us.  i.e. what the actual injury, and how much detail there is.  Basically, it may be impossible to get useful numbers if we get no useful information.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 15:08

This is not entirely true.  As long as it’s at least 1% useful, then you will get something that is not random (albeit at a high uncertainty level).

As long as the lies we’re told are random, not systematic, then their lies simply mean that we need to get a larger sample size.


#6    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 16:41

There is so much more that it would be useful to know.  From an actuarial point of view it would be helpful to have flags in the injury database for non-baseball related sickness or injury, batting injury, baserunning injury, position specific fielding or pitching injury.  Also for new injury or reoccurence of a previous injury.  I would also expand the database to include all lost player time and injury information that did not cause lost time, but may have caused a decrease in performance.  It is important to know whether a player who is normally a starter is not in the lineup because he is sick, or injured, or on bereavement or family leave, or is being rested, or is being platooned, or has been suspended by the league or team, or replaced due to lack of performance. 

I mentioned in the other thread that the Gameday XML files have much more additional information that could be useful.  For example, in September of 2009 there are 20 DL instances in the current injury database.  But in the XML files there are 50 instances of players leaving the game due to an injury and several hundred more injury time outs that did not result in a player leaving.  The player ID is given in both instances and the specific injury is described if the player has to leave the game.

A comprehensive database like the one I envision would require a lot of work, but would yield valuable results.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 16:59

Peter, fantastic stuff.  Agree with you all the way.


#8    J. Cross      (see all posts) 2010/02/27 (Sat) @ 13:39

I took a look at the predictive value of Will Carroll’s red, yellow and green lights (based on his actuarial table):

http://sites.google.com/site/steamerprojections/quantifying-carroll

I’m hoping you guys will give me some feedback on where to go with this (if anywhere).


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