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Tuesday, September 21, 2010

Accounting for runs allowed

By Tangotiger, 04:51 PM

Suppose you want to account for all runs a team has allowed, and you want to attribute those runs to various components.  Those components would be:
- performance of team’s pitchers
- performance of team’s fielders
- impact of this park relative to all parks
- impact of these opposing batters relative to all batters

- impact of sequencing of events
- impact of noise on non-batted ball PA events
- impact of noise on batted ball PA events
- impact of noise on non-PA events

So, a team has given up, say 100 runs less than league average, and you want to assign the numbers to each bucket such that the sum equals the whole (-100).

When it comes to the last 4 items, do we want to create a “noise” bucket, or do we want to distribute the noise to the pitchers/fielders in some fashion?  This is a question of opinion.  There are no right or wrong answers.


#1    Michael      (see all posts) 2010/09/21 (Tue) @ 17:53

I think there should be a noise bucket for non-batted ball PA events and sequencing that credits/debits the pitcher, while the noise on batted ball PA events gets credited to the fielders. Non-PA events are odd, and I guess they can be subject to interpretation. For example, I’ve been accustomed to crediting SB/CS to catchers, but of course the truth is that it should be split between pitchers and catchers.


#2          (see all posts) 2010/09/21 (Tue) @ 18:22

I think it depends on the intended audience to some extent.  I work in the market research field where the question of what to do with the residual is also asked.  Purists generally say keep the noise bucket, but lay people are confused by that and would like the noise divided out in the same proportion as the non-noise buckets…


#3    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/09/21 (Tue) @ 19:33

This is the discussion we have to have to resolve our feelings as to how we eventually want it handled in WAR.

So, if you want to attach conditions as to how you want to portion out the noise based on the use, that’s fine with me.

Lay out how you want things handled, and why.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/09/21 (Tue) @ 22:17

I’d distribute the noise and also display a stat without the noise added. The difference gives you the noise (how much random variation impacted that player), and the whole number gives you a more realistic assigning of credit/blame for the season. My guess is that non-analysts would stick to the number with noise.


#5    mettle      (see all posts) 2010/09/21 (Tue) @ 23:27

I’m a bit confused by the terminology used.

When you say “performance of team’s pitchers” it makes it sound like you’re talking about true talent with noise already included, i.e. performance = how they perform & the outcome, not how good they are.

“Impact of these opposing batters relative to all batters” on the other hand is ambiguous, to me. Can you clarify what you mean (for the dense among us)?

And if you meant for the first 5 to refer to actual outcomes, then I don’t get what the noise is for. For example, shouldn’t linear-weighted batting performance + sequencing = runs (no noise needed)?


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